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2011-11-27 20:56:32
22 votes, rating 5.1
22 votes, rating 5.1
Lizardmen in the box are.. Awesome?
I just got back on track with playing lizardmen in the box. The first team I ever played in fumbbl was lizardmen with a 9-1-7 record & seeing Hitonagashi & Garion do some good plays with them I set up to see how does it go playing a stunty-hybrid in the box. I didnt setup any goals in mind originally, but things just seemed to keep going my way & I got more and more ambitious with my plays.
When we were 5-0-0 on the wins track with 0 touchdowns conceded after 5 games it started feeling like there was something special about these skinks & sauri.
So match 6 we drew JockMcRowdy's Woodies (gulp!), not an ideal matchup for sure! No worries though our Block/pomber took out Jock's sidestepping WD on turn 1.. and a few turns later the other WD was fouled and we were on track ending up winning 2-1. The defeat to bloodbowl playing dinosaurs was too much to bear and the opposing team was retired.
The lizzies kept having just superb luck, though hito claims its not luck, it just feels like it cause they play so different from other teams.. Regardless after 14 matches we were TV 1620 and 14-0-0 and 4 touchdowns conceded.
Our final and only defeat came vs wood elves. We drew Malmir's wood elves then, and despite some coach failure we managed to hold wood elves out of scoring range for 8 turns in their half. In our own half we are marching towards the 15th win when the 2nd wardancer gets a 1die blitz -> pow -> MNG on our sidestepping skink, no worries they fail the pickup & the bounce is towards our opponents endzone, unfortunately in the end the Wood elves pickup from 2 zones and end up caging to the end. We were really ruined by trying to keep the skinks too lean, had we had even 1-2 dt/ss skinks, the game would have gone very different indeed.
In the end we managed a 15-0-1 record, playing against a chaos team, 4 chaos dwarf teams, a pact team, a dark elf team, a human team, a khemri team, a necromantic team, an ogre, 2 orc teams, a skaven team and 2 wood elf teams.
So, why are lizards so cool in the box?
Blodging skinks are obviously huge, ma6 st4 is the other thing, finally there's a LOT of teams that cant handle losing 1-2 guys so a pomber belongs in the build. I did not buy a single break tackle getting to this 15-0-1 record, and like hitonagashi, I am unsure if any break tackle is really necessary at all. Block saurus are really cool too.
I had a oneturner in the team (ma9, later ma9 ag4), but never got to finish one (mostly due to not conceding touchdowns, heh). Was very close in my final game, where the ott was a gfi, pass, catch & anoter gfi away, but lacking RRs we didnt manage to make the gfi..
All in all, very impressed with what the lizardmen can do at <1700 TV. My feeling is, building up the right kind of skink/sauri, right kind of inducements, lizzies could really rock the boat in a major in the future..
.. So get playing lizzies, really a cool & unique team!
And here's november/december's Black Box Junior Sprint, for those who wonder why the 16 game run was so important ;-)
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=20
When we were 5-0-0 on the wins track with 0 touchdowns conceded after 5 games it started feeling like there was something special about these skinks & sauri.
So match 6 we drew JockMcRowdy's Woodies (gulp!), not an ideal matchup for sure! No worries though our Block/pomber took out Jock's sidestepping WD on turn 1.. and a few turns later the other WD was fouled and we were on track ending up winning 2-1. The defeat to bloodbowl playing dinosaurs was too much to bear and the opposing team was retired.
The lizzies kept having just superb luck, though hito claims its not luck, it just feels like it cause they play so different from other teams.. Regardless after 14 matches we were TV 1620 and 14-0-0 and 4 touchdowns conceded.
Our final and only defeat came vs wood elves. We drew Malmir's wood elves then, and despite some coach failure we managed to hold wood elves out of scoring range for 8 turns in their half. In our own half we are marching towards the 15th win when the 2nd wardancer gets a 1die blitz -> pow -> MNG on our sidestepping skink, no worries they fail the pickup & the bounce is towards our opponents endzone, unfortunately in the end the Wood elves pickup from 2 zones and end up caging to the end. We were really ruined by trying to keep the skinks too lean, had we had even 1-2 dt/ss skinks, the game would have gone very different indeed.
In the end we managed a 15-0-1 record, playing against a chaos team, 4 chaos dwarf teams, a pact team, a dark elf team, a human team, a khemri team, a necromantic team, an ogre, 2 orc teams, a skaven team and 2 wood elf teams.
So, why are lizards so cool in the box?
Blodging skinks are obviously huge, ma6 st4 is the other thing, finally there's a LOT of teams that cant handle losing 1-2 guys so a pomber belongs in the build. I did not buy a single break tackle getting to this 15-0-1 record, and like hitonagashi, I am unsure if any break tackle is really necessary at all. Block saurus are really cool too.
I had a oneturner in the team (ma9, later ma9 ag4), but never got to finish one (mostly due to not conceding touchdowns, heh). Was very close in my final game, where the ott was a gfi, pass, catch & anoter gfi away, but lacking RRs we didnt manage to make the gfi..
All in all, very impressed with what the lizardmen can do at <1700 TV. My feeling is, building up the right kind of skink/sauri, right kind of inducements, lizzies could really rock the boat in a major in the future..
.. So get playing lizzies, really a cool & unique team!
And here's november/december's Black Box Junior Sprint, for those who wonder why the 16 game run was so important ;-)
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=20
Comments
Posted by Gotte on 2011-11-27 21:34:22
I have to totally agree with this. My Lizardmen team in the Box got a 16/3/3 build and are great. Only reason I don't play em is because it's not my favorite race. This far the teams I have had an "easy" time with in the box are: Lizardmen, Undead 8,1,3, Humans 7,3,1 and slann, 4,1,0. I dont know what makes these teams tick. But I know what makes teans suck.
All of these teams dont really have any "key" players that they can't live without. Skaven for example HAVE to have their GR's alive and that is really hard in box as they are the guys that need to do the dangerous stuff also.
All of these teams dont really have any "key" players that they can't live without. Skaven for example HAVE to have their GR's alive and that is really hard in box as they are the guys that need to do the dangerous stuff also.
Posted by Aflo on 2011-11-27 21:37:07
Yeh lizards are a great team, easily one of the best if you build them smart: lean skinks, saurus tds etc.
So I'm not too suprised you managed that impressive record with dice and all too often coaching skills on your side. Still, grats mate!
Just a bit gutted even if my norse manage another 3 wins their 14/2/0 record won't be enough to bag top place in the sprint...ah well, will just have to win the next 8 consecutively to get my 15/1/0 :D
So I'm not too suprised you managed that impressive record with dice and all too often coaching skills on your side. Still, grats mate!
Just a bit gutted even if my norse manage another 3 wins their 14/2/0 record won't be enough to bag top place in the sprint...ah well, will just have to win the next 8 consecutively to get my 15/1/0 :D
Posted by Emeric on 2011-11-27 21:45:44
Rated 6 because one player is named by me in that team, cool, i didn't know i was a well-known lizzardmen player in box :D
Well. Mine did not do so well, clearly :)
/clap
Well. Mine did not do so well, clearly :)
/clap
Posted by Keith-Lemon on 2011-11-27 22:45:02
wow only played 4 CD teams, Yes you been lucky :)
Posted by Carnis on 2011-11-28 00:40:53
Cds are easy for lizards though, squishy hobbos break easily & st4 AV9 is hard for CDB coaches to handle. Hito is 9-0-1 vs CDs. I'm 4-0-0 so far..
Posted by Fela on 2011-11-28 11:33:33
Lizards are awesome vs. inexperienced coaches and no ClawPoMb. However, once you start losing Saurus, it's pretty much game over.
Hobbos may break easily, but Skinks even more so :).
Hobbos may break easily, but Skinks even more so :).
Posted by Gotte on 2011-11-28 11:52:51
Fela that's not really true, it's true that lizardmen got many disadvantages and some can be taken away (ie Dodge) but honestly losing 1 or 2 saurus in a game is not the whole world. Seeing as lizardmen got the speed and strength for it they can still outplay most teams by using it. Saurus dont need to spam guard in the same way as other bash teams do.
And they can as a team outmanouver any other team out there. I do however see a problem for some teams with Wood elfs and Slann seeing as getting a block/surehands player is hard. The rarity of these teams in the box, especially at high tv. Is the reason why lizardmen shine.
And they can as a team outmanouver any other team out there. I do however see a problem for some teams with Wood elfs and Slann seeing as getting a block/surehands player is hard. The rarity of these teams in the box, especially at high tv. Is the reason why lizardmen shine.
Posted by Reisender on 2011-11-28 12:29:14
stop picking the box...come to ranked where the big boys play ;)
Posted by KFoged on 2011-12-15 19:02:27
Ahh thats what you where talking about :D