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2011-06-22 13:15:11
35 votes, rating 5.3
35 votes, rating 5.3
This is England...
For the moment being I live in England and are trying to incooperate myself into the society. On tuesdays I play football, 5 vs 5 on these fenced english small fields, with my wife's collegues. They are all international, all but 2 are non-brittish. But yesterday so happend that the English guys playing after us was 2 persons short and I stayed on. Nice guys around 30. But what was new for me is that whenever a 30ish wanna be footballer does something sucky, like shooting 30 meters over the goal, passing to your opponent or making an own goal, their team mates say "Unlucky" or "Unlucky mate". Like it is unlucky that you suck so bad you didn't make the premier legue. First time they said it I thought it was some English irony. But it wasn't.
Maybe this can be a new spectator sound for when those 5+ fails. Or you missclick and your 6+ fails, or your -3db doesnt kill the troll.
Integrating 2.0
Maybe this can be a new spectator sound for when those 5+ fails. Or you missclick and your 6+ fails, or your -3db doesnt kill the troll.
Integrating 2.0
Comments
Posted by RC on 2011-06-22 13:19:06
Are you sure its not Irony?
Posted by maysrill on 2011-06-22 13:29:50
My guess would be that they've found it to cause fewer fights than "dude, you suck." It probably means about the same though, when they say it.
Posted by freak_in_a_frock on 2011-06-22 13:30:38
It can be irony, but oten it means that the idea was good but it just didn't come off, for example a -3 dice to surf a troll could quite easily be remarked by us English as 'unlucky' during a game, despite the odds of it actually working being quite low.
Alternatively it gets used when a mistake is punished, the 6+ misclick that results in a turnover being a good example.
Alternatively it gets used when a mistake is punished, the 6+ misclick that results in a turnover being a good example.
Posted by King_Ghidra on 2011-06-22 13:44:35
As Freak says, generally it is used as an encouraging remark for a good effort, not a comment on fortune per se.
I don't think anyone is under the illusion they are a great footballer at that level, so constantly saying 'you suck' would be somewhat counter-productive.
I suppose everyone could silently play in some Scandinavian Schopenahurean acceptance of the fundamental inevitability and futility of the enterprise, but that's not the English way.
I don't think anyone is under the illusion they are a great footballer at that level, so constantly saying 'you suck' would be somewhat counter-productive.
I suppose everyone could silently play in some Scandinavian Schopenahurean acceptance of the fundamental inevitability and futility of the enterprise, but that's not the English way.
Posted by gjopie on 2011-06-22 13:45:38
In the case of real life sport "Unlucky", or more often "Unlucky mate", is intended as encouragement. It roughly translates to "nice try, don't let that mistake stop you trying again". If you said that in irony to your team mate, it might well start a fight.
As a British native, I find it hard to understand why it is so contentious to offer support to your sucky team-mates! Its only amateur 5 a side, the outcome doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
My experience is that foreigners tend to take such things too seriously.
As a British native, I find it hard to understand why it is so contentious to offer support to your sucky team-mates! Its only amateur 5 a side, the outcome doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
My experience is that foreigners tend to take such things too seriously.
Posted by gjopie on 2011-06-22 13:48:02
Ah, King_Ghidra got there before me.
Posted by Calcium on 2011-06-22 13:53:33
Its called sportsmanship and supporting your teammates.
Surely we are not the only country to have this? It's amateur 5 a side after all, King/freak/gjopie have said it already...get a grip!
I think your interpretation of it would result ultimately in someone 'getting a slap' .... another English term!
Surely we are not the only country to have this? It's amateur 5 a side after all, King/freak/gjopie have said it already...get a grip!
I think your interpretation of it would result ultimately in someone 'getting a slap' .... another English term!
Posted by RC on 2011-06-22 14:40:06
Good sportsmanship is not considered saying "you were unlucky" in Sweden.. unless they were in fact really unlucky.
Good sportsmanship is not gloating to much after an easy win and not bitching to much after a deserved loss.
Its more of a you get what you deserve and hard work pays off kinda approach.
Good sportsmanship is not gloating to much after an easy win and not bitching to much after a deserved loss.
Its more of a you get what you deserve and hard work pays off kinda approach.
Posted by MOnkeyBoyJoHnson on 2011-06-22 14:57:27
I think you missed the point of the previous comments RC.
It doesn't mean "you were unlucky". It means something more like "good try". When you friend fires a shot off into the distance, missing the goal by a mile, it's just like a reassuring pat on the back.
It doesn't mean "you were unlucky". It means something more like "good try". When you friend fires a shot off into the distance, missing the goal by a mile, it's just like a reassuring pat on the back.
Posted by Grod on 2011-06-22 15:27:02
Haha that sounds like me when I am playing Blood Bowl ... "ooh your 3 dice I choose Block on my blodger just failed, unlucky mate" ...
Posted by DukeTyrion on 2011-06-22 15:31:35
Also, if you don't know the people it's hard to know the context of why it's being said.
It might be that 2 of the 8 players had not played in years and their friends had finally talked them into play 5-a-side again. So when they see them trying something (which may in their mind have been a good idea) that didn't come off, saying 'unlucky mate' is more likely to get them out playing again the next week then saying 'wow, what a crap shot, you looked like a right loser just then'.
It might be that 2 of the 8 players had not played in years and their friends had finally talked them into play 5-a-side again. So when they see them trying something (which may in their mind have been a good idea) that didn't come off, saying 'unlucky mate' is more likely to get them out playing again the next week then saying 'wow, what a crap shot, you looked like a right loser just then'.
Posted by Wotfudboy on 2011-06-22 15:34:03
Anyway... I think people are confusing "irony" with "sarcasm"... :)
Posted by Dhaktokh on 2011-06-22 15:51:26
I would love that specc-sound BooAhl, it would end up in tons of misunderstandings and endless debates among the crowd, and perhaps the players. We need more of that, if we have /crickets we surely need this one. Understanding cultures ftw!
Posted by DragonsMaw on 2011-06-22 16:12:59
In my group of lazy nerds, when you roll terrible dice, we say 'smooth', or 'way to go'. Obviously meant to be sarcastic... Maybe, as the owner of the worst dice in my area, I should start trying to push the 'unlucky' line whenever I totally blow 9 of 10 2+ saves.......
Posted by avien on 2011-06-22 17:28:52
I have experienced the same thing while playing rugby, at least now I know what my silly English teammates are trying to tell me.
We have a similar concept in Norway, only we say "synd", which literally means "tragic", but should be taken as something like "tragic that it did not work, the thought was good. Keep it up mate".
We have a similar concept in Norway, only we say "synd", which literally means "tragic", but should be taken as something like "tragic that it did not work, the thought was good. Keep it up mate".
Posted by Thadrin on 2011-06-22 19:50:52
I've gone in the opposite direction to you - I'm British but live in Uppsala.
I've been here more than ten years and I STILL don't understand some things over here.
Surströmning. Stockholmites. The obsession with "celebrities" who noone outside Sweden has ever heard of. People voluntarily listening to Håkan Hellström. Celebrating Eves (Christmas Eve, Midsummer eve etc).
I just go along with it. It's easier that way.
I've been here more than ten years and I STILL don't understand some things over here.
Surströmning. Stockholmites. The obsession with "celebrities" who noone outside Sweden has ever heard of. People voluntarily listening to Håkan Hellström. Celebrating Eves (Christmas Eve, Midsummer eve etc).
I just go along with it. It's easier that way.
Posted by PurpleChest on 2011-06-22 19:55:27
I suppose everyone could silently play in some Scandinavian Schopenahurean acceptance of the fundamental inevitability and futility of the enterprise, but that's not the English way.
King_Ghidra said that, but i wish i had.
'Unlucky' or 'unlucky mate' are certainly not remarks upon the actual luckiness of the moment. More an aknowledgement that someone has tried to be lucky, even tried something above their skill level, and not managed it. it is both sympathetic and supportive but in a 'non emo' tactiturn blokish way.
It is, as others have suggested, more of an arm around the shoulder, than factual statement.
If you wish you could mentally extend it 'unlucky mate (that you arnt talented enough to do that thing you tried well)'.
And thats probably as close a translation as you can expect.
King_Ghidra said that, but i wish i had.
'Unlucky' or 'unlucky mate' are certainly not remarks upon the actual luckiness of the moment. More an aknowledgement that someone has tried to be lucky, even tried something above their skill level, and not managed it. it is both sympathetic and supportive but in a 'non emo' tactiturn blokish way.
It is, as others have suggested, more of an arm around the shoulder, than factual statement.
If you wish you could mentally extend it 'unlucky mate (that you arnt talented enough to do that thing you tried well)'.
And thats probably as close a translation as you can expect.
Posted by pythrr on 2011-06-22 21:09:40
tis usually ironic
Posted by Hank on 2011-06-22 21:51:41
Honestly Englanders ... I am pretty sure Boo knows this and is making a witty remark - as a swede, just as BooAhl, that's how I interpret this blog entry.
Posted by BooAhl on 2011-06-22 23:37:58
I was not flaming. It as like Hank said I was just trying to be explain a witty culture difference. Bunch of 30 year old guys running around and saying "Unlucky mate" every other minute just made me wonder. If somebody did something sucky in Sweden, or anywhere, he probably would know it and don't need his "friends" telling him how unlucky he was.
But it was just a short anecdote from my life. Nothing more.
And Thadrin:Håkan Hellström is the best! I lived in Uppsala before I moved here by the way.
But it was just a short anecdote from my life. Nothing more.
And Thadrin:Håkan Hellström is the best! I lived in Uppsala before I moved here by the way.
Posted by GAZZATROT on 2011-09-23 19:52:29
King_Ghidra You've just become a little hero of mine. :)
I do hope this topic continues, being English myself and a Footie fan, I'm finding this very funny. :D
I do hope this topic continues, being English myself and a Footie fan, I'm finding this very funny. :D
Posted by Cavetroll on 2011-09-24 06:22:05
If a Swede did something sucky, he could blame being drunk. Or is that Norwegians? I often get them mixed up...
Posted by Dalfort on 2011-10-21 11:05:44
Sven Goran Eriksson was unlucky.
(definitely ironic!)
(definitely ironic!)