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Izzinatah



Joined: Apr 06, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 14:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Heroic_Tackle wrote:
@ Izzinatah: Huh? AG 4 Current rules throws a short Pass. 1 is a Fumble, 2 is Inaccurate, 3+ is accurate.

Edit: Ninjaed bei Sqiurell Dude Smile


Edit: deleted to avoid confusion. I forgot the baked in +1 to everything in BB2016. Sorry if I came across as patronising!! Thanks for the graphs Squirrel.
Niessuh



Joined: Dec 11, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 15:13 Reply with quote Back to top

A shame. If there was a general consensus about something about the future of the blood bowl (apart from the CLAWPOMB abuse) it was that the passing system should improve. I remember seeing a statistic that stated that the average pass per game was less than one, and now it's getting worse. I hope they are in time to amend it somehow.

Maybe the old quick +1, short +0, long -1 and bomb -2 could be used now? this would improve passing enough.
Muff2n



Joined: May 20, 2017

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 15:25 Reply with quote Back to top

@SquirrelDude

Thanks for those charts. They do confirm that PA 2+ is always a fumble or wildly inaccurate if they fail. So this is a nerf even to the elven throwers - now when they miss it scatters from them, where as before it at least went presumably downfield at least some way to where you wanted.

And what is also odd is that in general I'd prefer a fumble to a wildly inaccurate - at least it is near to my thrower (ball in a TZ) and I can plan better for the fail case. So I'd rather the pass be accurate, then fumble, then wildly inaccurate. Aka, on a long pass I'm praying to roll high or a 1, please nuffle not 2 or 3. Even more so when doing a TTM and I might hit my own big guy.

Someone better tell the elven catchers to leave diving catch at home (if DC is still a thing).
awambawamb



Joined: Feb 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 15:32 Reply with quote Back to top

Niessuh wrote:
I hope they are in time to amend it somehow.


I suspect they have already bookmarked these pages at that place in Notts. And I'm not talking about The Boiler or the Pit and Pendulum...

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Niessuh



Joined: Dec 11, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 15:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Hopefully the "widly inaccurate" result will be removed at least. It also overcomplicate rules:
A natural 1 la a fumble, every other fail result inaccurate, then accurate.
Heroic_Tackle



Joined: Nov 05, 2006

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 16:04 Reply with quote Back to top

Hmm, maybe it is a mistake and not what they wanted? It is so weird, a playtester would have seen this anomaly I'd think.
Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 16:11 Reply with quote Back to top

Just played my youngest son on tabletop for his first ever game. At the end he said 'What's this for?' He was holding the range ruler.
mister__joshua



Joined: Jun 20, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 16:37
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Malmir wrote:
Just played my youngest son on tabletop for his first ever game. At the end he said 'What's this for?' He was holding the range ruler.


Did you annihilate him and then dance around laughing? I hope so Very Happy

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Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 16:39 Reply with quote Back to top

We began with a pitch invasion - four of mine stunned and five of his. He was 1-0 up at half time when we stopped and we had one dead each. Exciting stuff Smile
sebco



Joined: Feb 14, 2005

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 17:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Concerning "wildly inaccurate" results, we had a debate on french forum. I (and some others) considered it was on a 1- after applying modifiers but some others considered it was only on a 1 (exactly) after applying modifiers. So if you roll 3-3=0 for example it's inaccurate and not wildly inaccurate.

After re-reading the rules and discussing about it, we didn't know what was the good reading of the rules (it is never clearly said that after applying modifiers, worst result is 1 and there are no 0 -1 -2 etc to consider).

What are your thoughts about that?

PS : We also concluded PA 1+ had no interest as results were not better than with PA 2+

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ugrosh



Joined: Oct 24, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 18:04 Reply with quote Back to top

Niessuh wrote:


This is fantasy rugby now!

Hallleluja.
JackassRampant



Joined: Feb 26, 2011

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 19:10 Reply with quote Back to top

GW Crap at Designing Games!
Story at 11.

In other news, water is still wet.

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SquirrelDude



Joined: Mar 22, 2015

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 19:21 Reply with quote Back to top

sebco wrote:
Concerning "wildly inaccurate" results, we had a debate on french forum. I (and some others) considered it was on a 1- after applying modifiers but some others considered it was only on a 1 (exactly) after applying modifiers. So if you roll 3-3=0 for example it's inaccurate and not wildly inaccurate.

After re-reading the rules and discussing about it, we didn't know what was the good reading of the rules (it is never clearly said that after applying modifiers, worst result is 1 and there are no 0 -1 -2 etc to consider).

What are your thoughts about that?

PS : We also concluded PA 1+ had no interest as results were not better than with PA 2+
Yes that does appear to be the most exact interpretation of the rule. It's clearly stated on an earlier page that modified results can be less than 0, which they'd have to if you have 1+ target numbers.

A strict interpretation of the rule as currently written would look like this.

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It's probably intended to work in a way closer to this

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The rule as written in the leaked images is pretty clearly broken. It's reasonable to expect this rule to be addressed early in errata.
Heroic_Tackle



Joined: Nov 05, 2006

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 13:03 Reply with quote Back to top

I also wonder why Cloudburster does not work on all passing ranges. Seems pointless. Splitting old Safe Thow in two skills is bad anyway.
Niessuh



Joined: Dec 11, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 13:29 Reply with quote Back to top

They needed 12 passing skills in order to use the new random system like all other characterístics, but splitting the old passing skills info several worthless skills is a very wrong decision indeed.

In fact I am quite sure that absolutely no one is going to roll random passing skill ups
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