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2009-01-07 19:58:36
37 votes, rating 4.7
37 votes, rating 4.7
Scoring on a Blitz?
My Div-B Ogres had a great game vs. some Orcs today, which they sadly lost 0-1.
After the Orcs scored 0-1 in 1st half and were on the receiving side in 2nd half, my Ogres got a Blitz-result on the kickoff-table after one of my Ogres had kicked the ball with all his muscle's might right into the oppo's endzone.
Lucky enough, one of my Gobbos got sky-high in the air and safely back on his feet again plus managed to rush into the oppo's endzone just to catch the ball right there as soon as it came down from the rocket-high kick by the Ogre I already mentioned ;-)
Sadly though this wasn't considered a TD - the desperate little guy sat right there, holding the ball, just to see a mighty-evil Orc-Blitzer punch him right in the face with his Tackle-Skill on oppo's turn :-(
There: Game lost - 'rest of the Gobbos tried to recompensate and recover the ball for a final tie, but never succeeded - putting the boot in for sweet revenge didn't work to well either...
...so question remains: Gobbo-stupidity to even try scoring in Blitz on oppo's turn or client-bug?
If I only knew how to put up a picture - I would ;-)
Got one with the lucky Gobbo sitting in the endzone, proudly holding the ball (you can see him still smiling all over the face)
And another one with the poor little guy knocked over after the blitz by a Tackle-Orc (no smile no more)
After the Orcs scored 0-1 in 1st half and were on the receiving side in 2nd half, my Ogres got a Blitz-result on the kickoff-table after one of my Ogres had kicked the ball with all his muscle's might right into the oppo's endzone.
Lucky enough, one of my Gobbos got sky-high in the air and safely back on his feet again plus managed to rush into the oppo's endzone just to catch the ball right there as soon as it came down from the rocket-high kick by the Ogre I already mentioned ;-)
Sadly though this wasn't considered a TD - the desperate little guy sat right there, holding the ball, just to see a mighty-evil Orc-Blitzer punch him right in the face with his Tackle-Skill on oppo's turn :-(
There: Game lost - 'rest of the Gobbos tried to recompensate and recover the ball for a final tie, but never succeeded - putting the boot in for sweet revenge didn't work to well either...
...so question remains: Gobbo-stupidity to even try scoring in Blitz on oppo's turn or client-bug?
If I only knew how to put up a picture - I would ;-)
Got one with the lucky Gobbo sitting in the endzone, proudly holding the ball (you can see him still smiling all over the face)
And another one with the poor little guy knocked over after the blitz by a Tackle-Orc (no smile no more)
Comments
Posted by koadah on 2009-01-07 20:10:55
I can't believe that your opponent didn't just let you score next turn.
Posted by westerner on 2009-01-07 20:14:20
Wow. That should have counted as a TD.
Posted by Russo on 2009-01-07 20:18:38
Actually this is NOT a bug read the rules on the BLITZ action in the RUles section on FUMBBL. I too once experienced this problem.
Blitz! The defence start their drive a fraction before the offence are ready, catching the receiving team flat-footed. The kicking team receives a free ‘bonus’ turn where any player not in an enemy tackle zone may take a Move action. One eligible player on the Kicking team may take a Blitz action rather than a Move. Players in an enemy tackle zone at the beginning of this free turn may not perform an action. The kicking team may use team re-rolls during a Blitz. If any player suffers a turnover then the bonus turn ends immediately.
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All players not in a tackle zone can make a move action, one player make make a Blitz action (Move and Block), so no throws or fouls should be made in the Blitz turn.
As I said in the game, I was unaware of it for a while, and even questioned the Ball in the end zone thing not acting as a TD, but I was then told that it's not part of the blitz turn.
Duke Tyrion
Blitz! The defence start their drive a fraction before the offence are ready, catching the receiving team flat-footed. The kicking team receives a free ‘bonus’ turn where any player not in an enemy tackle zone may take a Move action. One eligible player on the Kicking team may take a Blitz action rather than a Move. Players in an enemy tackle zone at the beginning of this free turn may not perform an action. The kicking team may use team re-rolls during a Blitz. If any player suffers a turnover then the bonus turn ends immediately.
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All players not in a tackle zone can make a move action, one player make make a Blitz action (Move and Block), so no throws or fouls should be made in the Blitz turn.
As I said in the game, I was unaware of it for a while, and even questioned the Ball in the end zone thing not acting as a TD, but I was then told that it's not part of the blitz turn.
Duke Tyrion
Posted by Craftnburn on 2009-01-07 20:26:27
"Actually this is NOT a bug read the rules on the BLITZ action in the RUles section on FUMBBL. I too once experienced this problem."
The Rules on Blitz indicate that he shouldn't have been able to Throw the gobbo. That's either a Bug or a "Difference", but having the ball in the endzone and not getting a TD is a bug (although only possible because of the Throw issue).
Clearly the client lets you do any normal action (TTM, Foul, etc) so I think this would have to be considered a "Difference" between client and LRB, and he should get that TD.
The Rules on Blitz indicate that he shouldn't have been able to Throw the gobbo. That's either a Bug or a "Difference", but having the ball in the endzone and not getting a TD is a bug (although only possible because of the Throw issue).
Clearly the client lets you do any normal action (TTM, Foul, etc) so I think this would have to be considered a "Difference" between client and LRB, and he should get that TD.
Posted by westerner on 2009-01-07 20:36:19
OTOH, you're not supposed to be able to take a PASS (or Foul) action on a Blitz! amd TTM is a pass. So I guess it was sorta fair.
Posted by Britnoth on 2009-01-07 21:03:08
Wow what alot of ill informed comments.
A blitz! KO result lets you do move actions and 1 blitz action. The client correctly does not let you use a foul action, however the client does not support a pass 'action' only a move action with a pass, so this looks fair according to the client to me.
A TD is scored when you end your action in the TD zone holding the ball, or at any time you are standing with the ball during your opponents turn. However in the client you score as soon as you enter the TD zone with the ball. On a blitz action you do not enter with the ball, so the client does not register you are there. This is listed in the differences text file that comes with the client, and is therefore NOT considered a client bug and your opponent is 100% entitled to block or surf your gobbo. This is the exact same difference that allows vamps to score on OFAB....
A blitz! KO result lets you do move actions and 1 blitz action. The client correctly does not let you use a foul action, however the client does not support a pass 'action' only a move action with a pass, so this looks fair according to the client to me.
A TD is scored when you end your action in the TD zone holding the ball, or at any time you are standing with the ball during your opponents turn. However in the client you score as soon as you enter the TD zone with the ball. On a blitz action you do not enter with the ball, so the client does not register you are there. This is listed in the differences text file that comes with the client, and is therefore NOT considered a client bug and your opponent is 100% entitled to block or surf your gobbo. This is the exact same difference that allows vamps to score on OFAB....
Posted by Frankenstein on 2009-01-07 21:17:20
"If one of your players is holding the ball in the opposing team's End Zone at any point
during your opponent's turn then your team scores a touchdown
immediately,"
(LRB 5, true for LRB 4 as well)
As Britnoth mentioned though, this is a known difference from the board game, due to how the client identifies touchdowns.
Same happened to me too once, years ago, when a woodelf one-turner caught the ball turn 16 at the beginning of the opponent's turn after a blitz and wouldn't score either.
during your opponent's turn then your team scores a touchdown
immediately,"
(LRB 5, true for LRB 4 as well)
As Britnoth mentioned though, this is a known difference from the board game, due to how the client identifies touchdowns.
Same happened to me too once, years ago, when a woodelf one-turner caught the ball turn 16 at the beginning of the opponent's turn after a blitz and wouldn't score either.
Posted by Archpeasant on 2009-01-07 22:23:14
I don't see the problem being TTM really - say you have a 13MA Gutter Runner. During the Blitz you waltz to the endzone and catch the ball there as it lands. As it appears this is actually a touchdown but not accepted by the client.
I suppose the client works as it does and is to be taken as-is. Major disappointment for the ball-holder in the TD zone of course. Especially since they'll be visiting the crowd after all that wasted effort.
I suppose the client works as it does and is to be taken as-is. Major disappointment for the ball-holder in the TD zone of course. Especially since they'll be visiting the crowd after all that wasted effort.
Posted by SillySod on 2009-01-07 23:01:39
Personally I think that you are considered to have scored and if your opponent does anything other than click turn then they mare cheating. Bear in mind that clicking turn would follow the rule that the turn counter is moved forawrds while scoring in your opponents turn.
Posted by treborius on 2009-01-08 00:03:32
hmm - well, lotsa comments and most at least sympathetic - i'll just enjoy that warm feeling and be happy that the poor little disappointed bugger was able to sidestep the attempt of that evil Orc-Blitzer trying to push him right into the arms of those hungry trolls in the crowd who ran out of snacks ;-)
'not sure though, whether the attempt to ttm on a blitz would have to be considered cheating in the future or not - will read the bits in the .txt and lrb later... :-)
'not sure though, whether the attempt to ttm on a blitz would have to be considered cheating in the future or not - will read the bits in the .txt and lrb later... :-)
Posted by treborius on 2009-01-08 02:22:56
actually after re-reading the relevant passages in lrb4 i do think that when the rules are to be taken word-for-word, the client really shouldn't allow ttm during blitz.
reasoning: you're only allowed move-actions and one blitz-action on a blitz-kickoff-result, while ttm is considered a pass-action (which may be carried out after moving the player).
so this is if you take it literally - however, i wonder whether or not the designers even thought of the possibility of someone doing ttm on a blitz-kickoff-result, rather i bet they didn't mention pass-actions because naturally there never is a ball to pass in the blitz-kickoff.
i wonder how they would clarify that rather unclear ruling and what their intentions were - anyone know if that has maybe been clarified, already?
:-)
reasoning: you're only allowed move-actions and one blitz-action on a blitz-kickoff-result, while ttm is considered a pass-action (which may be carried out after moving the player).
so this is if you take it literally - however, i wonder whether or not the designers even thought of the possibility of someone doing ttm on a blitz-kickoff-result, rather i bet they didn't mention pass-actions because naturally there never is a ball to pass in the blitz-kickoff.
i wonder how they would clarify that rather unclear ruling and what their intentions were - anyone know if that has maybe been clarified, already?
:-)