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2011-03-16 21:30:51
34 votes, rating 2.6
34 votes, rating 2.6
Fixing POMB in [B]
PainState wrote:
"And if you are playing against a coach who it is very obvious that their only purpose is to KILL YOUR TEAM...well, there is no counter for the intentions of the other coach. Winning is hollow if you lose half your team. I dont have an answer for the counter for a "blood thirsty" coach. But I do know that counter is not to start tweeking the rules."
For this reason, I think a very strong case can be made to
abolish FUMBBL's House Rule on concessions.
I wonder how much fun BLOODKILLERMACHO style coaches would have if they found out that most people would rather just concede on turn 1 than play their one dimensional teams. How many times would they need to experience that before they grow tired of not getting to play a full mach?
I think abolishing a FUMBBL house rule is a much more efficient way to deal with the (Claw) POMB problem than asking Kalimar and Christer to implement Galak's recommended house rule fix to PO.
And as a side note, does anyone else find it funny that it's safer to stay prone on the ground than face the threat of a POMB monster? That is amongst the craziest bit of rule design that I've ever seen...
I'm all for a sensible change when they review the rules in the future, but until then, this small tweak could make a world of difference for some coaches who can't stand POMB.
What are you thoughts?
Not like you really need another place to talk about this silly issue..
"And if you are playing against a coach who it is very obvious that their only purpose is to KILL YOUR TEAM...well, there is no counter for the intentions of the other coach. Winning is hollow if you lose half your team. I dont have an answer for the counter for a "blood thirsty" coach. But I do know that counter is not to start tweeking the rules."
For this reason, I think a very strong case can be made to
abolish FUMBBL's House Rule on concessions.
I wonder how much fun BLOODKILLERMACHO style coaches would have if they found out that most people would rather just concede on turn 1 than play their one dimensional teams. How many times would they need to experience that before they grow tired of not getting to play a full mach?
I think abolishing a FUMBBL house rule is a much more efficient way to deal with the (Claw) POMB problem than asking Kalimar and Christer to implement Galak's recommended house rule fix to PO.
And as a side note, does anyone else find it funny that it's safer to stay prone on the ground than face the threat of a POMB monster? That is amongst the craziest bit of rule design that I've ever seen...
I'm all for a sensible change when they review the rules in the future, but until then, this small tweak could make a world of difference for some coaches who can't stand POMB.
What are you thoughts?
Not like you really need another place to talk about this silly issue..
Comments
Posted by koadah on 2011-03-16 21:48:59
This one has already been debunked in the forum.
Posted by EvolveToAnarchism on 2011-03-16 22:00:39
Correction, koadah, you IMAGINE, that it's been debunked. Nice try though.
Posted by Mr_Foulscumm on 2011-03-16 22:06:40
You really think people will care if they win by concession?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Posted by EvolveToAnarchism on 2011-03-16 22:10:40
It's not so much as caring what the POMBer feels. It's primarily about giving the potential "victims" of POMB an easy way out (so long as they don't have 51+ SPP players). Concessions are an option in the rules. They shouldn't be HOUSE RULED out when they can serve as a decent enough counter to BLOODKILLERMACHO style coaches.
Posted by Woodstock on 2011-03-16 22:29:14
You sign up for the box, you play the game. Why bother with the box if you concede in T1?
Posted by Naru1981 on 2011-03-16 23:23:32
So i see a team with 1 monster who kills everything i concede?
although i know thats NOT what you are saying we all know that some coaches WILL do that. We may all hate these teams but as Woodstock says, Join and play in the box then you must accept what you face. No matter how silly
although i know thats NOT what you are saying we all know that some coaches WILL do that. We may all hate these teams but as Woodstock says, Join and play in the box then you must accept what you face. No matter how silly
Posted by Arktoris on 2011-03-17 03:25:46
while I agree the concession HOUSE RULE was a bad idea and poorly written as well as enforced for all of fumbbl, I think it fits the spirit for the box just fine. Box is for hardcore bloodbowl. Play Box, get the clawbomb. accept it and prepare for it and you'll be fine.
this reminds me of when lrb4 first came out. everyone crying over dp being too powerful, and the wuhans that foul 16 turns with 11 dirty players are breaking fumbbl. Also remember so many people refusing to play vs ogres for being too powerful.
then after some experience we realized that ogres are actually cherries. and having two dirty players makes the game fun, not worse.
I hope three years from now we'll reread the "the point" and laugh at our folly and ignorant opinions of clawbomb way back in 2011.
this reminds me of when lrb4 first came out. everyone crying over dp being too powerful, and the wuhans that foul 16 turns with 11 dirty players are breaking fumbbl. Also remember so many people refusing to play vs ogres for being too powerful.
then after some experience we realized that ogres are actually cherries. and having two dirty players makes the game fun, not worse.
I hope three years from now we'll reread the "the point" and laugh at our folly and ignorant opinions of clawbomb way back in 2011.
Posted by Ruiner on 2011-03-17 03:29:23
Oh cool, so if you make a player which someone doesn't like, (like a ClawPOMB) then you get a free win? Sounds like a great idea.
Where's the incentive NOT to make those types of players then?
Where's the incentive NOT to make those types of players then?
Posted by pythrr on 2011-03-17 03:52:11
i think you should fix it by GETTING A BIGGER FONT
Posted by Frankenstein on 2011-03-17 07:46:09
How generous of Galak to authorize houserules for FUMBBL pretending he would still have any authority with regard to the rules. I assume Christer is just laughing at that guy's delusions of grandeur.
Not a big fan of houserules myself, I'd prefer to abolish the concession-houserules (which seems to be embraced by otherwise die-hard rule-fetishists), even though I doubt it would solve the Clawpomb-issue even remotely.
In fact, it would allow everyone to waste less living time with meaningless and lost games and offer an option to get out of games with ultraslow coaches as well.
Not a big fan of houserules myself, I'd prefer to abolish the concession-houserules (which seems to be embraced by otherwise die-hard rule-fetishists), even though I doubt it would solve the Clawpomb-issue even remotely.
In fact, it would allow everyone to waste less living time with meaningless and lost games and offer an option to get out of games with ultraslow coaches as well.
Posted by Arktoris on 2011-03-18 00:11:23
I'm surprised no one's brought up the fact that this HOUSE RULE is in direct conflict with another fumbbl rule on the main rules page
disconnections are forbidden, either concede or play on.
so if you have a RL emergency, you are forbidden to disconnect and play again some other day. but you can't concede either, due to the HOUSE RULE on consessions. So that just leaves dealing with the emergency and leave the game open with the clock running....oh wait...another rule prevents that too.
/trainwreck
disconnections are forbidden, either concede or play on.
so if you have a RL emergency, you are forbidden to disconnect and play again some other day. but you can't concede either, due to the HOUSE RULE on consessions. So that just leaves dealing with the emergency and leave the game open with the clock running....oh wait...another rule prevents that too.
/trainwreck
Posted by harvestmouse on 2011-07-02 11:33:59
You're confusing disconnecting and abandoning a game. If you have a real life issue, disconnect rather than concede the game. However give your opposing coach as much information (regarding how long you'll be gone and when you can finish) as possible.
Abandoning a game would mean leaving with no intension of finishing it.
I've never conceded a game and never will. However others conceding doesn't really bother me . This said though, seeing the range of illegal concessions and having to deal with the issues they raise; I think FUMBBL is a better place with the concession rule.
Abandoning a game would mean leaving with no intension of finishing it.
I've never conceded a game and never will. However others conceding doesn't really bother me . This said though, seeing the range of illegal concessions and having to deal with the issues they raise; I think FUMBBL is a better place with the concession rule.