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2010-02-16 17:33:35
46 votes, rating 2.3
46 votes, rating 2.3
Stupid mistake over a stupid rule
Bah, I feel both irritated and embarassed at the moment. I played FatEddie and his fun Cloverfield Corpse Carriers. It was a really fun game, which I knew it would be since I've played him before. The problem was that before ended up being with the same team, that I haven't used since then.
So I got stuck with an error, rules violation - can't upload the results, and having wasted an hour of someone else's life. As usual the flexibility of rule interpretations is zero, which is pretty much the only thing I dislike with the Fumbbl management.
Not that I mind the rule in itself, but it's obvious that it's there to prevent people from exploiting matches to gain favors, not to catch someone who just didn't keep in mind the match record of his 39 teams and who they played 2 months ago.
The "It's not our problem, check your match list or waste an hour, your choice..." felt a bit rough. Seriously, I won't. Especially not in Ranked, where I have to ask perhaps 10 times to get a match sometimes. To go through my teams match record every time seems too much of a hassle.
Is there anyone else who feels that there should be a bit more flexibility in these circumstances? Results can be uploaded manually and there was no harm intended from any side.
So I got stuck with an error, rules violation - can't upload the results, and having wasted an hour of someone else's life. As usual the flexibility of rule interpretations is zero, which is pretty much the only thing I dislike with the Fumbbl management.
Not that I mind the rule in itself, but it's obvious that it's there to prevent people from exploiting matches to gain favors, not to catch someone who just didn't keep in mind the match record of his 39 teams and who they played 2 months ago.
The "It's not our problem, check your match list or waste an hour, your choice..." felt a bit rough. Seriously, I won't. Especially not in Ranked, where I have to ask perhaps 10 times to get a match sometimes. To go through my teams match record every time seems too much of a hassle.
Is there anyone else who feels that there should be a bit more flexibility in these circumstances? Results can be uploaded manually and there was no harm intended from any side.
Comments
Posted by Thomcat on 2010-02-16 17:37:05
hmmm not a stupid rule - but yes hate when it happends.
But it is clearly our own mistake when it happends - do not think there is any way around this as this is one of the clearest rules on the site.
But it is clearly our own mistake when it happends - do not think there is any way around this as this is one of the clearest rules on the site.
Posted by Bill_Vestergaard on 2010-02-16 17:40:48
I think the rule is in place for a good reason. Making exception to the rule would be wrong in my point of view.
Posted by Ravenmore on 2010-02-16 17:43:24
Can't help but agree with the admins.
Posted by Nighteye on 2010-02-16 17:54:31
I for one fully agree with you Pirog. But I guess this sort of management is required in a community as large as this one.
Posted by CircularLogic on 2010-02-16 18:07:09
So you both had a fun game. Great! Not being able to upload the result kills the fun you had during the match?
Posted by Skolopender on 2010-02-16 18:13:49
Good rule!
Wouldn't want exceptions, even though it might suck in this case.
Wouldn't want exceptions, even though it might suck in this case.
Posted by Pirog on 2010-02-16 18:21:28
CircularLogic,
No, but what if it hadn't been a fun game? It's fine for my own sake, since I did the mistake. Fortunately I also won the match, which at least eased some of my opponents frustration. But he didn't do anything wrong.
I just find inflexible rules a problem. I've always felt like that. I guess it's based a lot on what kind of person you are. My view is that rules aren't an ideal to uphold in itself. A rule that is violated in good faith and which won't have negative consequences for anyone is in my opinion not a problem worth dealing with. On the other hand, if you get fined for crossing the road just because it was a red light, even if there were no cars within a mile, it's a stupid rule. In my humble opinion of course.
No, but what if it hadn't been a fun game? It's fine for my own sake, since I did the mistake. Fortunately I also won the match, which at least eased some of my opponents frustration. But he didn't do anything wrong.
I just find inflexible rules a problem. I've always felt like that. I guess it's based a lot on what kind of person you are. My view is that rules aren't an ideal to uphold in itself. A rule that is violated in good faith and which won't have negative consequences for anyone is in my opinion not a problem worth dealing with. On the other hand, if you get fined for crossing the road just because it was a red light, even if there were no cars within a mile, it's a stupid rule. In my humble opinion of course.
Posted by Cloggy on 2010-02-16 18:49:13
I love inflexible rules.
They make it very clear what will and what will not be allowed, thus lowering the workload of the admin team. That way they get to handle real problems and rules violations and not spend their time arguing with coaches who want exceptions to rules.
As far as this specific rule goes: I really, really like it and don't think any exceptions should ever be allowed.
They make it very clear what will and what will not be allowed, thus lowering the workload of the admin team. That way they get to handle real problems and rules violations and not spend their time arguing with coaches who want exceptions to rules.
As far as this specific rule goes: I really, really like it and don't think any exceptions should ever be allowed.
Posted by DudeBro on 2010-02-16 18:54:41
Your fault, you only have to check the most recent game on the agreed upon match once it is accepted. Not 20+ like you are saying.
Posted by Malmir on 2010-02-16 19:14:54
Had the same thing happen to me. My Dark Elves battled to a famous victory over some killer orcs only to discover he hadn't used them since the teams met a couple of months previously. Was fairly gutted but blamed myself for not looking properly.
Posted by Wreckage on 2010-02-16 19:28:22
To me the problem seems more how you can proof you didn't see it. In general you should play that many people that the chances for this to happen are technically zero... it certainly never happend to me.. and didn't even slip my mind...
If the admins would start making such exceptions that would be an excuse to put teams on ice and play the same opponents over and over again...
the not-two-games-in-a-row-rule is ONLY the tip of the iceberg. You really shouldn't play opponents several times at all. But the rules are so flexible that they let you get through with anything except particularly that.
If I would be in that situation I wouldn't feel bad about it and instead understand that I made a mistake. Maybe an unavoidable one, but with very little harm for everyone.
And if I'd really care Id just check the team because I knew at the bottom I could see who my last opponent was, but yes you are right about that part... who would really care to check?
If the admins would start making such exceptions that would be an excuse to put teams on ice and play the same opponents over and over again...
the not-two-games-in-a-row-rule is ONLY the tip of the iceberg. You really shouldn't play opponents several times at all. But the rules are so flexible that they let you get through with anything except particularly that.
If I would be in that situation I wouldn't feel bad about it and instead understand that I made a mistake. Maybe an unavoidable one, but with very little harm for everyone.
And if I'd really care Id just check the team because I knew at the bottom I could see who my last opponent was, but yes you are right about that part... who would really care to check?
Posted by Optihut on 2010-02-16 20:22:01
I see your point about inflexible rules, but I find the "To go through my teams match record every time seems too much of a hassle." bit quite annoying: If a little effort on your side is "a hassle", how do you think the admins feel when they are asked to sort out rules violations in your favour?
Personally, I'd say that's more of a hassle, so yes, you should heed the rules.
Personally, I'd say that's more of a hassle, so yes, you should heed the rules.
Posted by Jeffro on 2010-02-16 20:25:29
Blog post should've stopped the title at "Stupid Mistake..."
Posted by fly on 2010-02-16 20:52:30
click head to head record before starting game and you're done. NOT THAT HARD IMHO!
Posted by Thomcat on 2010-02-16 23:52:54
All the stuff about having to go into Games and look through just is not true.
At the teams profile their Last Opponent is stated Loud and Clear.
So all talk about it being a hazzle to find out is wrong.
At the teams profile their Last Opponent is stated Loud and Clear.
So all talk about it being a hazzle to find out is wrong.
Posted by DonTomaso on 2010-02-17 00:32:40
"This is not Vietnam. There are rules!"
But yes... annoying.
But yes... annoying.
Posted by Pirog on 2010-02-17 00:52:41
How do I see that my last match was against him in the head to head part? It just shows that I played a match against him and which teams that played.
Posted by pythrr on 2010-02-17 04:05:32
no.
Posted by BiggieB on 2010-02-17 05:12:49
you do relise that all we live for is to make your stay here as miserable as possible!
Posted by Grod on 2010-02-17 12:52:02
No.
If you want flexible interpretation of rules by the Admins, then this will inevitably lead to complaints of cronyism etc. Whether true or not, such claims would be damaging to the community.
These are the kinds of claims mind you that are sometimes brought up by the "Concession" rules, which have at times been poorly defined, and have usually required flexible interpretations. We have had several long Forum discussions about this.
No. In this case I prefer well the well defined rules wherever possible.
If you want flexible interpretation of rules by the Admins, then this will inevitably lead to complaints of cronyism etc. Whether true or not, such claims would be damaging to the community.
These are the kinds of claims mind you that are sometimes brought up by the "Concession" rules, which have at times been poorly defined, and have usually required flexible interpretations. We have had several long Forum discussions about this.
No. In this case I prefer well the well defined rules wherever possible.
Posted by Mr_Foulscumm on 2010-02-17 16:46:40
No.
Its not like its hard work checking who your teams last game was against by looking at the team page.
Stop being lazy!
Its not like its hard work checking who your teams last game was against by looking at the team page.
Stop being lazy!
Posted by Pirog on 2010-02-18 15:09:59
BiggieB,
No, but I realize that I must have stepped on some fragile toe of yours some time, because you rarely miss a chance to express your dislike of me.
I don't even understand how you interpret this blog post as an "everyone is against me" rant. I think it says more about you than me that you do.
No, but I realize that I must have stepped on some fragile toe of yours some time, because you rarely miss a chance to express your dislike of me.
I don't even understand how you interpret this blog post as an "everyone is against me" rant. I think it says more about you than me that you do.
Posted by Pirog on 2010-02-18 15:12:55
I can only conclude that there is a massive support for not having flexible rules regarding match-ups. That's good to know and the point behind the blog post.
I also managed to give quite a few of the perfect individuals on this site a chance to yet again cast judgement on us lazy, immoral individuals that doesn't know all the rules by heart or use all the control mechanisms available before each game. Good for you, I'm sure that pat on your own back felt warm and loving ;)
I also managed to give quite a few of the perfect individuals on this site a chance to yet again cast judgement on us lazy, immoral individuals that doesn't know all the rules by heart or use all the control mechanisms available before each game. Good for you, I'm sure that pat on your own back felt warm and loving ;)