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2015-10-21 16:20:22
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Inducement Strategies for Cups
Edit: It seems tricky to misunderstand inducements. So I will edit in the corrections of other coaches.
Hello,
after deciding to join with my Khemri for the upcoming FUMBBL CUP!
As I nearly lost a TG in my last practice match I started to ponder about what to do in case of losing a really important piece during the cup, but only for one match.
This leads me to my question, and I guess it might be useful for some other coaches aswell as Petty Cash seem not to be used regulary
So lets say I would like to buy a TombGuardian Merc with 1 skill. That's 180k.
Now I want to make sure that I will do this right.
There are three possibilities:
1. Me and my opponent share the same TV. If I throw in 180k Petty Cash this will give my opponent the same amount of inducement money (basically a wizard plus useless 30k).
2. My opponent's TV is above mine. I get inducements accordingly. Not enough for a Tomb Guardian or Wizard I throw in Petty Cash.
As further Petty Cash raises my team's TV the petty cash and original inducement money DON'T ADD UP BUT OVERLAP.
For example:
1000k TV vs 1070k TV
left team gets 70k inducements, not enough!, so left team adds further pretty cash (180k for a TG), so
1180k TV vs 1070 k TV
left team has now 180k for inducements, but gives the right team 110k inducement money
3. My opponents are Goblins or just lower TV than me. I add 180 k to the petty cash and the other coach is happy abut a free wizard.
And when do you guys ever make use of Petty Cash?
Have a nice day
edited.
here was my wrong understandings of #2. read for entertainment but not for udnerstanding:
"My opponent has a higher TV. I get automatically inducement money. Let's say I'm granted 100k. So I need to add 80k from my own cash.
So what happens now? My teamvalue raises, the difference between me and my opponents TV is now only 20k, he gets no inducements. Right?
Or does my TV raise for 180k, making my team pass the other coach's by 80k, thus giving him inducements?"
"2. My opponent has a higher TV but not enough for a TG (or wizard).
I get only 100 k inducements. If I want a TG i have to pay 180 k Petty Cash and give my opponent 180k inducement."
Comments
Posted by PainState on 2015-10-21 16:29:10
On step #2 that is wrong.
IF you are getting 100k in inducements BUT want to buy a wizard for 150k. You have to transfer 150K into petty cash. Now your TV will be greater than his and he will get a free 50K to spend.
It is not you get 100k free and then transfer the rest (the deficit) to get your higher priced item.
Bottom line: If you want more inducements that are more expensive than the free inducement money you must transfer the full amount over the free money.
IF you are getting 100k in inducements BUT want to buy a wizard for 150k. You have to transfer 150K into petty cash. Now your TV will be greater than his and he will get a free 50K to spend.
It is not you get 100k free and then transfer the rest (the deficit) to get your higher priced item.
Bottom line: If you want more inducements that are more expensive than the free inducement money you must transfer the full amount over the free money.
Posted by easilyamused on 2015-10-21 16:29:33
You may want to review the rules on using petty cash so you don't get a nasty shock if you need to use it during the cup.
Posted by mekutata on 2015-10-21 16:32:06
ok, i will edit this accordingly so no other coach gets a nasty shock after browsing through this block
Posted by mekutata on 2015-10-21 16:34:31
what i think was my thinking mistake and i think now understand: the inducements even already the TV. that's why i need 150 k. thx guys
Posted by Uedder on 2015-10-21 16:43:29
I use it if i'm rich and need 20-30k to get a really good inducement.
Like a wizard for elves, bribe for goblins or chef for flings.
Like a wizard for elves, bribe for goblins or chef for flings.
Posted by mekutata on 2015-10-21 17:00:37
ok uedder you got me now.
30k for a chef? or you mean 100k?
here is what i found in the rulz:
pre-match sequence #2:
Both teams at this point may transfer gold pieces from their team treasury into petty cash. Petty cash may be used during the current match to purchase inducements and adds directly to the team value of the team for this match. The team with the highest team value must declare how much gold he is transferring into petty cash first.
30k for a chef? or you mean 100k?
here is what i found in the rulz:
pre-match sequence #2:
Both teams at this point may transfer gold pieces from their team treasury into petty cash. Petty cash may be used during the current match to purchase inducements and adds directly to the team value of the team for this match. The team with the highest team value must declare how much gold he is transferring into petty cash first.
Posted by Strider84 on 2015-10-21 17:07:06
If u are rich and get 130k inducements, u should spend 150k to get 150k and now your opponent gets 20k for free.
Of course now your opponent can also spend 150 on a wiz, u both have one but you get an extra 130 on top.
But he might not have or want to spend his money
Of course now your opponent can also spend 150 on a wiz, u both have one but you get an extra 130 on top.
But he might not have or want to spend his money
Posted by bigGuy on 2015-10-21 17:11:21
Note, that mercenaries a bugged. If you have TG who is MNG, wou cannot get mercenary. Sad but true.
Posted by Sutherlands on 2015-10-21 17:11:47
As the others have said, your #2 is still wrong. If you are at 1000 TV and your opponent is at 1100, you are getting 100 in inducements. If you decide you want a TG, and put in 180 of petty cash, your TV is now 1180 and your opponent will get 80 TV in inducements, not the 180 that your #2 now says.
Posted by Cavetroll on 2015-10-21 18:23:52
I usually hate giving anyone a wizard. That goes triple for when I'm playing as Khemri.
Posted by Uedder on 2015-10-21 19:25:03
mekutata, it's easy. If i play flings vs a team with 70tv above mine, it means i get 70k of inducements, right?
Well, i then add 100k of my cash if i have some to spare, so i get the chef and my oppo gets 30k worth of nothing.
Same goes for everything else.
The trick is never allowing your opponent to buy a good inducement with the money you invest in the game. Even 50k is kinda risky, because just one wrong card could cost you the game.
Well, i then add 100k of my cash if i have some to spare, so i get the chef and my oppo gets 30k worth of nothing.
Same goes for everything else.
The trick is never allowing your opponent to buy a good inducement with the money you invest in the game. Even 50k is kinda risky, because just one wrong card could cost you the game.
Posted by mekutata on 2015-10-21 20:05:07
okay i rolled a 1d6, lets see if i get it now or another real stupid.
i will take uedder's example
1000k tv vs 1070k tv
team one gets 70k inducements, adds further pretty cash,
1000k + 70k inducement + 100k pretty cash = new teamvalue 1170k tv, 170k of that are spent for one game purchases
the other team with 1070k is now 100k below my teamvalue. why would he now only get 30k?
or is it a typo? as the cook costs 100k and in your example you only need 30k to get that.
so:
1000k + 70k inducements + 30k petty cash = new tv 1100k
opponent is now 30 below and gets 30 k of useless inducements. sounds alright now.
so now i hope i get my example #2 right:
1000k + 100k inducements + 80k petty cash = new tv 1180k, 180k of which can be spend for one game purchases (here one tombguardian)
the other team is now 80k below and gets inducements accordingly (80k).
which would be like i originally thought it works, but what painstate wrote contradicts this.
i will take uedder's example
1000k tv vs 1070k tv
team one gets 70k inducements, adds further pretty cash,
1000k + 70k inducement + 100k pretty cash = new teamvalue 1170k tv, 170k of that are spent for one game purchases
the other team with 1070k is now 100k below my teamvalue. why would he now only get 30k?
or is it a typo? as the cook costs 100k and in your example you only need 30k to get that.
so:
1000k + 70k inducements + 30k petty cash = new tv 1100k
opponent is now 30 below and gets 30 k of useless inducements. sounds alright now.
so now i hope i get my example #2 right:
1000k + 100k inducements + 80k petty cash = new tv 1180k, 180k of which can be spend for one game purchases (here one tombguardian)
the other team is now 80k below and gets inducements accordingly (80k).
which would be like i originally thought it works, but what painstate wrote contradicts this.
Posted by Medon on 2015-10-21 20:24:13
1000tv vs 1070tv
Left gets 70k inducement
Left adds 30 petty cash:
1030 vs 1070, so left got 30 petty cash and 40 inducements but still only 70k to spend
Left adds 100 petty cash:
1100tv vs 1070tv
Left has 100k to spend and right receives 30k inducement
Bottom line: if you use petty cash, ignore the calculation of team value, but just ALWAYS transfer the exact amount that you need (eg transfer 150k for a wizard no matter what the team values actually are)
Left gets 70k inducement
Left adds 30 petty cash:
1030 vs 1070, so left got 30 petty cash and 40 inducements but still only 70k to spend
Left adds 100 petty cash:
1100tv vs 1070tv
Left has 100k to spend and right receives 30k inducement
Bottom line: if you use petty cash, ignore the calculation of team value, but just ALWAYS transfer the exact amount that you need (eg transfer 150k for a wizard no matter what the team values actually are)
Posted by Uedder on 2015-10-22 01:53:32
The money you put in petty cash doesn't add up to the inducements. It's overlapping. One deletes the other. It's not AND it's OR.
So we take your example:
1000k tv vs 1070k tv
team one gets 70k inducements, adds further pretty cash,
1000k + 100k petty cash = new teamvalue 1100k tv, 100k of that are spent for one game purchases
the other team with 1070k is now 30k below my teamvalue.
So we take your example:
1000k tv vs 1070k tv
team one gets 70k inducements, adds further pretty cash,
1000k + 100k petty cash = new teamvalue 1100k tv, 100k of that are spent for one game purchases
the other team with 1070k is now 30k below my teamvalue.