Posted by Scarlak on 2016-06-17 19:56:53

Was it Bill and WMD?

Posted by CastleMan on 2016-06-17 19:57:39

no, just some orcs.

Sellouts Orc 1010k 0/0/0 30000 0 - 2 990k 3/2/0 40000 14000
Sellouts Orc 980k 1/0/0 20000 1 - 2 1000k 2/2/0 30000 13000
Sellouts Orc 1010k 1/0/1 30000 1 - 1 1100k 2/1/0 50000 22000

Posted by CastleMan on 2016-06-17 20:01:14

make it 4 times now.

Posted by Burnalot on 2016-06-17 20:05:29

Most it is because you played the first in the least busy hours and he was the only available. Then by some freak coincidence you managed to get onliune pretty much the same time as the other guy and you guys both activated low ranking teams and did it twice :). There are not a lot of low tv teams playing in blackbox in my experience. that might be the reason.
Now I can see that you managed to make it 4, lol.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-17 20:08:48

Because they're the only coach activating a team in that region of TV. You are still bound by the pool of teams that other coaches offer up to be scheduled.

Posted by DukeTyrion on 2016-06-17 20:13:45

If you are the only 2 very low TV teams, you will be matched.

If you both activate again, as soon as you stop playing and you are the only low tv teams in the draw, you will be matched; rince and repeat.

To avoid;

1) Activate multiple teams or;
2) Leave an activation or two, so you don't run straight back into him

Posted by CastleMan on 2016-06-17 20:18:13

oh. i see. then i am going to friend him and message him so this will stop happening.

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-17 21:16:33

if box is going to have CR, it should have the 1 in 10 rule like Ranked.

Posted by thoralf on 2016-06-17 22:13:02

"if box is going to have CR, it should have the 1 in 10 rule like Ranked."

+1

Posted by jdm on 2016-06-17 22:23:24

Then the American time zones would see even fewer games played. Afaik box is 100% about maximising games played, with a bit of rookie protection and other seasoning. That works pretty well imo. Sure there's some outliers, such as castleman's case here, and some crazy TV discrepancies but on the whole it's pretty good as is.

Posted by CastleMan on 2016-06-17 22:32:19

I am liking box, just the sheer number of rematches threw me and the other coach for a loop.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-18 00:37:21

I've had that happen before to me Castleman where I drew JuJew 5 times in 6 games or something ridiculous. It happens.

Posted by Silent_Hastati on 2016-06-18 00:47:06

Making the box even less likely to give matchups would all but finally kill it outside of a narrow band of TZs. At the moment, the last time I tried to play one of my new Box teams in the NA evening, I went 4 draws without a matchup before deciding "sod it" and went to go play some X-Com 2.

Posted by harvestmouse on 2016-06-18 03:44:46

Hehehe that's pretty funny/crazy.

Posted by Uedder on 2016-06-18 05:08:40

I heard shaving one's beard greatly increases the chance of getting varied matches...

The same happened to me a couple times, but not for such a long streak.

I think i got twice (or three times) the same matchup in a row with the team, both happened to be against clawpomb.

It was fun tho :)

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-18 07:42:42

"Then the American time zones would see even fewer games played"

then it's settled, Box shouldn't affect CR. Make it on par with League.

Posted by Medon on 2016-06-18 10:18:52

+1 for Arctoris. Box is a division for cherry pickers who want to play the same easy match-up over and over again... :-P

Posted by Timetis on 2016-06-18 12:19:39

Yeah, caus if the Americans don't use a functionality, it"d better not exist in the first place? If cr is to be an indication of someones ability to play the bowl, both ranked and box are to be taken into account.

Heck, in hyperbole: if playing a team versus nothing but favorable matchups is a legit way of gaining points, how is facing a similar coach with an equal team any different?

Posted by Medon on 2016-06-18 13:00:16

(Sorry Timetis I might have forgotten to put the right emoticons in. It wasn't a serious remark. I personally prefer L, don't care much about CR or cherry picking, and find these R versus B discussions all highly amusing)

Posted by MattDakka on 2016-06-18 14:46:30

Ranked shouldn't affect CR, Box should be the one and only division for competitive play.
Being able to dodge/choose your opponents is against the logic of competitive play.

Posted by Timetis on 2016-06-18 15:31:37

Medon - I was aiming at Arktoris' comment, not yours. The sarcasm wasn't lost on me; )

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-18 17:47:08

Box is the easiest division to cherrypick. Hence why all the pickers are there now.

But that's not the reason why it should be downgraded to non-CR. If you're playing the same coach and same teams over and over, your not getting an accurate CR reading.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-18 19:21:19

Because if we don't have accurate CR readings our adult lives are lesser.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-18 19:23:32

Also, the idea that CR would go away from Box because of a fluke in the system is childish and laughable or is just some low level troll. I'll let the gentle reader decide.

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-18 20:09:17

so I can now play the same guy three times with the same team in Ranked?

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-18 20:10:04

or is this just another example of Box getting more and more charity to keep a failed system afloat?

Posted by BillBrasky on 2016-06-18 20:15:31

He wishes he drew my WMDs.

They've been in sad shape lately...

Posted by garyt1 on 2016-06-18 20:21:01

Arktoris, what a ridiculous rant. It was a very unusual circumstance and it is not like one of the two sides won 3 or 4 of the games anyway. But the main thing is it wasn't planned. Quite a shame you had to start a Box v Rank argument. Why the desire to damage the site?

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-18 20:58:21

Seriously Arktoris? Please tell me you're trying to pull our legs that this actually concerns you.

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-18 21:27:45

I'm just wondering why Box gets away with a lower standard.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-18 22:29:53

Have fun masturbating over your wonderment, child.

Posted by Topper on 2016-06-18 23:54:32

Haha Arktoris, talking about "lower standard"..
Remember that every time you point a finger, four fingers point at you..
What I mean by that is, you don´t like box - fine, don´t play it!
I for example don´t like Ranked, hence I don´t play it - but starting to argue that "those playing R, shouldn´t have CR", would be plain lame to argue for.
Both are competitive, but on different ways - and with different flaws, that´s the truth as I see it.

Posted by thoralf on 2016-06-19 00:47:05

"Making the box even less likely to give matchups would all but finally kill it outside of a narrow band of TZs."

A place where you play the same players over and over again is so much fun that ends up with having less players. Check with any game club for more details on that dynamic.

Also, for those who care about ratings, those obtained through a smaller pools of players are usually lower.

Posted by garyt1 on 2016-06-19 00:58:11

Though as said in times of low coach numbers, with some of them activating multiple times in a row, if you activate multiple teams there is less chance of this happening if it really annoys you.

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-19 08:36:34

oook. I made a legitimate observation about CR and the 1 in 10 rule but was told I should "rise above it". Yet clearly, three Black Box coaches take CR seriously enough to berate and denigrate me over it...which means clearly they aren't "adult" enough to not take it seriously.

So now we have two questions.

Why is Black Box held to a lower standard than Rank wrt to CR?

Why do Black Box coaches hold themselves to a lower standard of maturity than they expect from Ranked coaches?

Posted by MattDakka on 2016-06-19 17:34:40

Box would have more coaches if it were the only competitive division.
The problem is that many people like to cherrypick and boost their CR and win rate % through easy matches and prefer to play in Ranked.
If coaches were forced to play in Box if they wanted to gain CR and to participate to majors then the Box player base would increase.
Ranked steals coaches from the already small player base and makes finding Box matches harder during euro nights.

Posted by Arktoris on 2016-06-19 17:55:59

If Box were the only competitive division, fumbbl would have closed down years ago. Cherrypicking with a cpomb team is fun for about 30 games...then gets old. In fact, cherrypicking is so rampant in Box many coaches refuse to activate a team over 1800TV because they are tired of the "cherrypicking zone". So they just stay in the kidding pool region.

Box survived because it's transforming into Ranked. We've already given you our CR system, several of our tournaments, and dropped Smacks as charity to your div. Ranked in return has received nothing from Box...you simply have nothing to give.

Just a matter of time before Box is adsorbed fully into Ranked.

Now you can either see the obvious Matt or you can continue with the Box radical extremism. But personally, I don't see any benefit in being the "ISIS of fumbbl".

Now if want Rank's CR system, I think you should have to live up to our standards...and have the 1 in 10 rule in place.

/ark out

Posted by garyt1 on 2016-06-19 18:24:17

Arktoris. Both systems are from the same site and the same site designer. Just no point in an us v them argument..

Posted by thoralf on 2016-06-19 18:52:16

"Just a matter of time before Box is adsorbed fully into Ranked."

And in turn it's only a matter of time before R players realize that all the fun lies in L.

Posted by Timetis on 2016-06-19 19:09:11

"The Box radical extremism"

Yup - Matt is outspoken about the box division. But from reading your comments, Arktoris, you come across as the one with the extreme opinions.

All your comments on the box division are based on bias without fact. It's two divisions on the same site - yet you act as if boxcoaches stole your candy and need to be degraded and talked down to.

What we have to give; an easy way to get matches without the option of picking or being picked.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-19 23:08:49

Arktoris, it's childish because you have to know that Christer isn't going to change anything, especially based on your petulance. You are the least self aware coach on the site and it would actually be a relief if this entire time you were in fact trolling and just trying to get people's goats. I wouldn't have to think that such a self indulgent and self important idiot enjoying the same hobby as me and crapping up the place.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-19 23:24:22

Like seriously, you want to change an entire part of Fumbbl because of a fluke in the system that happens incredibly rarely. Can it happen? Yes. Does it happen? Not very much at all. Why are you this intent on your opinion? It's ridiculous.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2016-06-19 23:31:55

Are you absolutely sure this isn't you spitefully trying to make Box people feel inferior cause we're always razzing you about picking in Ranked? It would fit you.

Posted by thoralf on 2016-06-20 22:18:13

Whatever A's intentions and hyperboles, I think A made some good points about the 1/10 restriction and the possibility to have some control over one's opponents even in B.

Posted by Cavetroll on 2016-06-21 00:27:57

Arktoris is the least 'picky' player in Ranked. He almost always accepts any matchup with any team that he is offered.

But man, the 'isis of fumbbl' comment was way over the line.

Posted by CastleMan on 2016-06-21 16:27:00

this got way out of hand